Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Racism in North America

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The result was redirect‎ to Racism by country#North America and merge relevant content to other racism-by-country articles, as applicable. There is a rough consensus that while the content is notable, bundling under "North America" is not adequately supported by sources. Owen× ☎ 17:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Racism in North America[edit]

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This is an unnecessary conflagration of Racism in Canada, Racism in Mexico, and Racism in the United States. It should redirect to a list at Racism by country#North America. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Canada, Mexico, and United States of America. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I see what is trying to be accomplished, organizing a set of existing pieces on racism by country. I'm good with it. Carrite (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge then Redirect - I concur with the original requester. Any content that happens to be unique to this article (I couldn't find any in my review) should be moved to one of the country-specific articles. Then, it should be redirected to a list of the country-specific articles. Garsh (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North America-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's try relisting this one more time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are many sources that discuss racism in Canada, racism in the USA, and racism in Mexico. I highly doubt there are many sources that discuss racism across the entire North American continent, especially as a distinct geographical entity from Latin America/South America. This article should not exist unless sources can be found that specifically discuss racism in North America as a whole. Astaire (talk) 06:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom ꧁Zanahary꧂ 07:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the coverage in these sources. The current article is synthetically-constructed, but notability is based on article potential, not article condition. Pinging @Walsh90210, Garsh2, Astaire, and Zanahary: please re-consider. Left guide (talk) 07:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not convinced yet.
- The last three sources (Wong Hall, Wendt, Wilkinson) appear to be using "North America" as a shorthand for Canada and the US, with little or no discussion of Mexico. The first source (Smedley) is overwhelmingly about the US: it only uses the word "Canada" twice in the text, and Mexico is only mentioned glancingly in the context of colonial exploration. Sources that are actually about "racism in North America" should at a minimum discuss all three of the continent's largest countries.
- The third source (Danso) is printed by Nova Science Publishers, which was classified as a vanity press (i.e., no peer review).
- The second source (Russell) is the best, but it appears to be discussing the separate countries in isolation, rather than as a coherent "North American" unit. See e.g. "Chapter 4: Immigration", which has sections on "European Immigration in the United States", "Anglophones, Francophones, and Multiculturalism" (in Canada), and "A Dearth of Immigrants in Mexico". Or "Chapter 5: Race Mixture", which has sections on "México Mestizo", "The Canadian Métis", and "Racially Mixed and Socially Black in the United States". Or "Chapter 9: Racial Contours of North America", which has sections on "Legacies of Slavery, War, and Colonialism in the United States", "Mestizos, Indians, and Criollos in Mexico", and "Visible Minorities and First Peoples in Canada". So using this source would result in the same WP:SYNTH issues that the article currently suffers from.
Astaire (talk) 13:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: Consider for a moment, Racism in Columbus, Ohio. I'm not sure that should be a stand-alone article, but I haven't nominated it for AFD because sources exist.
This rationale is very different. This page summarizes three articles Racism in Canada, Racism in the United States, and Racism in Mexico (And, some content split to Racism in Trinidad and Tobago.). Although the word "list" isn't in the title, it is a list article. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a typical WP:COATRACK because there is no coverage of this subject as a whole. It might stand as a list page, but this is not a list page. My very best wishes (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find anything discussing this topic specifically. Let'srun (talk) 11:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: 2 of the 3 articles indicated as overlapping with this one were created after this one was. I think it's a matter of coverage depth and I do see reasons (content, coherence) to keep this one while having the others cover each country more specifically. Other articles such as Racism in South America, Racism in Europe, etc, exist. I don't see why this one should be deleted because North America is comprised of only three countries. Edit: please note that "racism in North America" is mentioned 867 times as an expression in Google Scholar. Rkieferbaum (talk) 13:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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